Jet Plate CTP

[John Higginis]

I am considering the Jet Plate. I run between 800 and 1000 plates per month.
What kind of speed can I expect out of it?
How about consistensy ?
It's pricethat has my attention.
I am looking for any kind of feedback be it positive or negative.
Thanks,

[rubenar8]

Hello John:

If you are refering to Jetplate system CTP manafacturer then think it is a printer technology based in a special ink that emulsion on conventional plate. According with some customers using them (7600, 7800 ones) it could be very carefull to check the exac cost for plate considering all ink consumables and more importat the coverage. I know it works OK with EliteCraftmann Kodak plates that runs until 100,000 print acording manufacturer. But it is difficultose to confirm because users that bought this systems have low print running ususally. I had done some average calculatons about plate cost considering plate, ink, cleaning ink, and chemicals and I got about $11,00 USD mts at 30% coverage.

Rubenar8

[Miskozim]

How did you come to 11 $ per 1 sqm. I would like to know details, as I work in Zimbabe and Zambia and our labour costs are lower than in US or Europe. I was considering JetPlate, as well. Anybody out here uses it? It use stochastic screening only. Is that a problem?
Misko

[Hans Blok]

Please look at Glunz & Jensen in Danmark they can offer you more

[jinthebay]

Get Jetplate to give you a Benchmark. Get G&J to give you one as well. I bet you'll see that the JetPlate results blow G&J out of the water.

Call and ask for Mike or ask to speak to one of the tech guys there. Darryl or Mick.

[jinthebay]

Hans, can you confirm a few things?


1. Can G&J offer a 98% comparable proof to press sheet?

2. Why did G&J switch from the Roland 300 system to the Epson 4800 as JetPlate has been using for many years?

3. Why doesn't G&J ever have a press sheet or a working sytem on display at the trade shows?

4. Why doesn't G&J offer more than one proprietary plate for use when JetPlate offers several available plates in final staging of testing in addition to the well known Kodak Craftsman plate?

5. The Jetplate system sounds like it is faster in every regard. Also features AM and FM (Stochastic) screening according to the info seen on their website.

6. Anyone would be hard pressed to make any purchase with G&J considering that they've never produced a press sheet for distribution at any of their tradeshows. At least JetPlate has consitently supplied press sheets as well as displayed a fully functional demo of their platesetters.

[InkjetCTP_waste_of_money]

Hans, can you confirm a few things?


1. Can G&J offer a 98% comparable proof to press sheet?

2. Why did G&J switch from the Roland 300 system to the Epson 4800 as JetPlate has been using for many years?

3. Why doesn't G&J ever have a press sheet or a working sytem on display at the trade shows?

4. Why doesn't G&J offer more than one proprietary plate for use when JetPlate offers several available plates in final staging of testing in addition to the well known Kodak Craftsman plate?

5. The Jetplate system sounds like it is faster in every regard. Also features AM and FM (Stochastic) screening according to the info seen on their website.

6. Anyone would be hard pressed to make any purchase with G&J considering that they've never produced a press sheet for distribution at any of their tradeshows. At least JetPlate has consitently supplied press sheets as well as displayed a fully functional demo of their platesetters.

Jin, I know you mean well but you wouldnt recommend any of these systems today now would you!

Neither would I!

[iCtP]

Hans, can you confirm a few things?

see my composite answer below..

1. Can G&J offer a 98% comparable proof to press sheet?
G&J do not offer to provide a 98% comparable proof, however G&J use the SAME Epson vDOTII and vDOTIII colour Proofing plugin that Jetplate do, both come from Xitron and are considered the industry standard proofing plugin from Xitron for Epson based devices.

2. Why did G&J switch from the Roland 300 system to the Epson 4800 as JetPlate has been using for many years?
G&J have never used the Epson4800, they did not consider the faceplate on the printhead used as being stable enough to provide a reliable solution. They did switch from the Roland to the Epson 4880, in conjunction to a joint venture agreement made with Epson, the Printhead is different, and a different coating on the faceplate is used by Epson with this head, and this coinceded with a customised firmware ware for specific platemaking and monochomatic primting - unique to Glunz & Jensen.

3. Why doesn't G&J ever have a press sheet or a working sytem on display at the trade shows?
I beleive all shows since 2007 they have, they also visit more shows than many other companies..

4. Why doesn't G&J offer more than one proprietary plate for use when JetPlate offers several available plates in final staging of testing in addition to the well known Kodak Craftsman plate?
Read the threads, Jetplate offer alternative plates as a sales pitch, but try and find some one buying one. In contrast, G&J who already have partnerships with all the major plate manufacturers choose to license the plate through multiple manufactuers, ensure consistant supply and no risk of the only supplier dropping out.

5. The Jetplate system sounds like it is faster in every regard. Also features AM and FM (Stochastic) screening according to the info seen on their website.
G&J system offers all the same modes of imaging as Jetplate, but included modes not available to Jetplate, though the G&J and Epson partnership, including interleaved modes enabling higher speed, higher resolution printing. The marketing material is not intended to target Jetplate, so does not specifically state it like that.
In addition G&J RIP's and screens at higher resolution than Jetplate.
The G&J system has AM functionality, but (see other threads),BUT in G&J's opinion it is not possible to reliably image conventional AM screening through Epson based 3 drop sized inkjet printheads. If you are a large, global , well respected company with a name and reputation to protect, you provide the functionality but do not promote it, as you know customes would be dissapointed if you sold the system under this premise. These features are not hidden, and even support HPS (Harlequin Precision screening), but again it is not recommended by G&J.

6. Anyone would be hard pressed to make any purchase with G&J considering that they've never produced a press sheet for distribution at any of their tradeshows. At least JetPlate has consitently supplied press sheets as well as displayed a fully functional demo of their platesetters.
You must go to different tradeshows to me, and I go to most. ALL tradeshows have had this, AND since G&J's generation II architeture, (read the last 18 months), Glunz and Jensen have been giving to users Loupes, Press sheets and plates in specially made carriers to take away..

This is not a discontinued theme either, G&J did this as recently as Graphics of Americas.

[jinthebay]

InkjetCTP_Waste-of-Money,

For the record, the posts you see with my name were made almost a year ago. I am not at liberty to comment on this due to fear of recrimination. Lets just say that I'd prefer to leave it as "No Comment"

Besides, I'm pretty sure that we already know each other. Again, No Comment!

Talk soon.

[InkjetCTP_waste_of_money]

[QUOTE=iCtP;109157]see my composite answer below..

1. Can G&J offer a 98% comparable proof to press sheet?
G&J do not offer to provide a 98% comparable proof, however G&J use the SAME Epson vDOTII and vDOTIII colour Proofing plugin that Jetplate do, both come from Xitron and are considered the industry standard proofing plugin from Xitron for Epson based devices. But a ICC profiled proofing system is not part of the G&J system, and you WILL NOT reproduce the same print quality as perfected by JetPlate, not even Xitron could reproduce the color JetPlate produced due to the experience of the indiduals they employed (Past tense, now, there is nothing there.)

2. Why did G&J switch from the Roland 300 system to the Epson 4800 as JetPlate has been using for many years?
G&J have never used the Epson4800, you know what he was referring to. They still couldnt get the Roland machine to perform correctly. As for any agreement with Epson, I seriously would question this, Epson could just as well see all of these companies that butcher their machines to go away. Unless G&J has spent $10 million for some licensing agreement or signed a contract to purchase thousands of machines per year, I can assure you there are NO agreements between the 2 companies that will enhance their system This is inaccurate and should be removed from these posts. they did not consider the faceplate on the printhead used as being stable enough to provide a reliable solution. They did switch from the Roland to the Epson 4880, in conjunction to a joint venture agreement made with Epson, the Printhead is different, and a different coating on the faceplate is used by Epson with this head, The print head uses an ink repellent coating to help with the head clogs and this coinceded with a customised firmware ware for specific platemaking and monochomatic primting - unique to Glunz & Jensen. Again I would like to see this agreement before I would believe it, I have met most of the Epson VPs at different trade shows and being in this industry for so long, I can assure you again, Epson is in this business to make money and sell machines, they will not work with any of these 3rd party vendors that DO NOT USE EPSON CONSUMEABLES.

3. Why doesn't G&J ever have a press sheet or a working sytem on display at the trade shows?
I beleive all shows since 2007 they have, they also visit more shows than many other companies.. The 1 or 2 press sheets (literally thats all you had in quantity, you didnt even have enough to pass out) they did show were questionable if anything. Any machine can print a decent 4 color black with some small 4 color saturated images on it. Both companies use the same lizard image from the older GATF images. These images have been enhanced to print well on these machines. Try a 40-60% tint screen at 11x17 and look at the streaks and inconsitencies.

Why dont you just say you work for G&J?