Photopolymer Violet Plates... 6 mil

[Alois Senefelder]

Gentlemen


The Jewel in the Crown - of Lithographic Plate manufacturers "Howson- Algraphy" the seraphic match for the "Deus ex Machina"




Regards, Alois

[Armya Inc]

Steve,
I consider a closed system when
a) there is not a wide easy available choice of alternative products.(If there is then perhaps you can list them?)
b) the processor and processing regime will not process other products giving the customer little or no options unless he changes the processor.
c) If a customer wants to change to another product can he do it easily and quickly using same equipment?

It is a fact that customers with 5mw lasers and silver processing equipment have very little choice to get alternative product that will work with both the setter and processor.

Customers having 30mw or higher Violet platesetter have a large choice of Violet Photopolymer products on a global basis and plates which will process in the vast majority of photoplymer processors out in the market.
Kodak, Fuji, Agfa, Konica, IBF, TechNova to name some, all offer Violet Photopolymer plates, which process through, G&J, Heights, Haase, Krause, Agfa, Fuji, Kodak processors.
Not only Violet plates but in newspapers there are also Thermal Photopolymer plates which can also use these photopolymer processors.
I stand by my comment,
Regards

John, I am aware of alternative product for Silver Halide LAP- V Ultra. They have produced this type of Plates in China. The Silver based Plates are compatible with Agfa Chemistry as well as 5 mw, 30 mw and 60mw Violet type Lasers. The processors are Silver Halide type with Developer and the Finisher(Not pre-heated one for the Polymer Plates). The Chinese Plates are on their way to North America.

[VladCanada]

If all 3 main players (A, K, F) will come to the same prices for plates, I expect NAFTA will built up a high fence at the government level to prevent the penetration of Chinese Plates for dumping price.

[Armya Inc]

If all 3 main players (A, K, F) will come to the same prices for plates, I expect NAFTA will built up a high fence at the government level to prevent the penetration of Chinese Plates for dumping price.

Good Comment Vlad!
We see all kinds of Chinese products in North America. Government haven't done anything against them. I talked to few Chinese suppliers at Toronto Print Show. They are exporting Plates to North America. Leading Plates suppliers have also Production facilities for Plates in China and not all plates used here are North American Brands. Do you have any news?

[VladCanada]

Leading Plates suppliers have also Production facilities for Plates in China and not all plates used here are North American Brands. Do you have any news?

http://printceo.com/2011/03/kodak-an...inting-plates/
Do you think Kodak comes to the suicide raid?
Do you think all 3 players do't have secret agreement?
Do you think US based Kodak does not have a lobby at the government level?

[Armya Inc]

http://printceo.com/2011/03/kodak-an...inting-plates/
Do you think Kodak comes to the suicide raid?
Do you think all 3 players do't have secret agreement?
Do you think US based Kodak does not have a lobby at the government level?

Vlad, I couldn't open this link.
http://printceo.com/2011/03/kodak-an...inting-plates

Vlad, I trust your knowledge and vast International experience in Print Industry.

1- Perhaps not, but it may effect the price of their plates after recent price increases.
2- Perhaps, but the 3 Players are in China as well with facilities, high- speed production lines and high investments using Chinese resources. The 3 Big players considered many reasons besides the low overhead costs on this.
3- I am not sure what you are referring to. If we assume the big key players have a lobby in US / Canadian government level, then why the other products manufacturers haven't had any.
I am not sure if 3 leading Players have a lobby in government level , but I am 100%+ sure that Chinese Plate manufacturers are in good legal business partnership with Chinese government.

I am still open to your comments! Perhaps you have something in that link that I am not aware of.

[VladCanada]

I don't know why my url does not work.
Go to printceo.com, put <<kodak>> into search box...
So Kodak wants to increase plates price up to 20% for conventional and up to 10% for digital from the
1st of May.
Do you think plates consumers worldwide will be tolerant to that desision and won't look around to find cheaper source?

[Armya Inc]

I don't know why my url does not work.
Go to printceo.com, put <<kodak>> into search box...
So Kodak wants to increase plates price up to 20% for conventional and up to 10% for digital from the
1st of May.
Do you think plates consumers worldwide will be tolerant to that desision and won't look around to find cheaper source?

Vlad, Please read the followings before making any judgment:

The Chinese are coming (to the offset plate market). Are you ready?

Michael Mittelhaus - CtP

http://www.mittelhaus.com/ctp-en/downloads/content.pdf

Here are some of the highlights:

How many Asian vendors are active in international markets? (Answer: There are more than a dozen.)
Do they only make traditional analog plates? (Answer: They also make some of the world’s most sophisticated CTP plates, including the world’s first commercial switchable-polymer plate.)
How much capacity do they have? (Answer: They already have more than 20% of the world’s plate manufacturing capacity, and the percentage is growing.)
Are their prices low? (Answer: Yes—in many cases, remarkably low.)

[Armya Inc]

Vlad, Please read the followings before making any judgment:

The Chinese are coming (to the offset plate market). Are you ready?

Michael Mittelhaus - CtP

http://www.mittelhaus.com/ctp-en/downloads/content.pdf

Here are some of the highlights:

How many Asian vendors are active in international markets? (Answer: There are more than a dozen.)
Do they only make traditional analog plates? (Answer: They also make some of the world’s most sophisticated CTP plates, including the world’s first commercial switchable-polymer plate.)
How much capacity do they have? (Answer: They already have more than 20% of the world’s plate manufacturing capacity, and the percentage is growing.)
Are their prices low? (Answer: Yes—in many cases, remarkably low.)

Hope Michael will join the discussion!!

[VladCanada]

I did not make any judgement or statement.
I asked my QQQ only.
Now I'm waiting for summer time to see the sad show.

Gas, aluminum, silver - price is going up...