Xerox 7002 & 8002

[leetaylor]

Xerox have just announced these two new products.

With new LOW GLOSS TONER!!

New Xerox Presses Meet Increased Demand for High-Quality Digital Color


Could this be there answer to the Canon ImagePRESS technology?

Anyone heard any info / gossip on these new machines??

Lee.

[UberTech]

1 According to research by InfoTrends, Xerox's installed base of digital production color devices accounts for more than 50 percent of the total worldwide page volume printed by high-speed cut-sheet digital production color printers with duty cycles exceeding 300,000 letter impressions per month.

that's a bit like porche saying 50% of cars used to go over 200mph are made my porche, well duh. Aside from canon and maybe now ricoh that's a lonely duty cycle. I would have thougt it would be more than 50%.

Here's me thinking the matte look was undesirable. Amazing how times change.

[leetaylor]

that's a bit like porche saying 50% of cars used to go over 200mph are made my porche, well duh. Aside from canon and maybe now ricoh that's a lonely duty cycle. I would have thougt it would be more than 50%.

Here's me thinking the matte look was undesirable. Amazing how times change.

Not quite sure what that ramble was all about?

I was purely posting a link to the new Xerox Docucolor 7002 & 8002 machines.

I understand they are basically 7000 and 8000 Docucolor's BUT using a new Low Gloss Toner, which gives a more Offset Litho like finish?

I would be interested to here from Xerox customers (I am one too!) to see gauge their opinion on these new machines.

Do you think they have been developed as an answer to the Canon ImagePRESS range?

I understand the Konica machines are aimed at the cheaper end of the market? But I stand to be corrected!

[Craig]

Leetaylor,
Don't take it personal, KM employed folks get a little on edge when Xerox, Ricoh and Canon come out and start spanking them. It must be something in their Kool-Aid.

[leetaylor]

Leetaylor,
Don't take it personal, KM employed folks get a little on edge when Xerox, Ricoh and Canon come out and start spanking them. It must be something in their Kool-Aid.

Ha!

Have you heard any details on these two new machines Craig?

I'm using a 5000 at the moment, but were looking to renew next year, so these could be just what we are looking for!

[Craig]

The only thing I have heard is what's available on the web. It looks as if it is the same box as the 7000/8000AP with new toner and the AQS as a standard vs an option. More in-line finishing options, but that doesn't do much for me. I can't see anything else much different.

[leetaylor]

The only thing I have heard is what's available on the web. It looks as if it is the same box as the 7000/8000AP with new toner and the AQS as a standard vs an option. More in-line finishing options, but that doesn't do much for me. I can't see anything else much different.

Interesting.

As a Xerox user yourself, do you find may client's dislike the Glossy Fuser Oil finish that the Docucolors put out?

Even though Canon and KM bleat on about a "flatter finish" from their boxes we rarely get any complaints (we run a 5000)

Lee.

[lkl7255]

Hello!

What Craig said is correct.
The 7002/8002 uses a new toner that gives the machine a matte finish, and it has the Automated Color Quality Suite built in. On the previous 7000AP/8000AP, this was an option you could add on. It makes it so you don’t have to do the manual calibration process, and you’ll have better spot color matching and profiling.

One thing I just learned too is that its finishing can be chained together. So, instead of just having a bookletmaker, or an inline punch, you can have a GBC punch attached to a Standard Horizon bookletmaker. That’s nice because then you have more job flexibility and aren’t pigeon-holed into finishing one type of application.

Leetaylor-
I’m a big fan of the 5000. I have always liked its image quality and glossy look. From talking to customers at tradeshows… the glossy vs. matte discussion really seems to be 50/50. Some love it, others dislike it. I think it’s rather subjective and depends on what the end customer ultimately likes.

If you are looking to eventually upgrade your 5000, the 7002/8002 also have the custom paper profiles and alignment profiles your 5000 has. I think the biggest difference will be the look of the prints (less glossy), the speed, and your printer’s UI isn’t the PC UI you have on the 5000. Will you be attending Print 09? I will be there!

Also, in response to your question about whether it was developed to answer to the Canon ImagePRESS… I think they certainly added pressure with the “flatter look” side of digital printing which ultimately led for a push for the low gloss toner, but that’s about it. I think Xerox machines have always had better color consistency/accuracy, productivity, substrate range, etc. than most of our competitors. My personal opinion: I feel as though Xerox has fantastic products, but think the main reason we lose deals is not because of the capability of the products, but on price (I also think you get what you pay for. Most other machines have plastic parts, ours you can tell are metal).

Thanks for being a Xerox customer and it sounds like you've enjoyed your 5000 so far!

[leetaylor]

Hello!

What Craig said is correct.
The 7002/8002 uses a new toner that gives the machine a matte finish, and it has the Automated Color Quality Suite built in. On the previous 7000AP/8000AP, this was an option you could add on. It makes it so you don’t have to do the manual calibration process, and you’ll have better spot color matching and profiling.

One thing I just learned too is that its finishing can be chained together. So, instead of just having a bookletmaker, or an inline punch, you can have a GBC punch attached to a Standard Horizon bookletmaker. That’s nice because then you have more job flexibility and aren’t pigeon-holed into finishing one type of application.

Leetaylor-
I’m a big fan of the 5000. I have always liked its image quality and glossy look. From talking to customers at tradeshows… the glossy vs. matte discussion really seems to be 50/50. Some love it, others dislike it. I think it’s rather subjective and depends on what the end customer ultimately likes.

If you are looking to eventually upgrade your 5000, the 7002/8002 also have the custom paper profiles and alignment profiles your 5000 has. I think the biggest difference will be the look of the prints (less glossy), the speed, and your printer’s UI isn’t the PC UI you have on the 5000. Will you be attending Print 09? I will be there!

Also, in response to your question about whether it was developed to answer to the Canon ImagePRESS… I think they certainly added pressure with the “flatter look” side of digital printing which ultimately led for a push for the low gloss toner, but that’s about it. I think Xerox machines have always had better color consistency/accuracy, productivity, substrate range, etc. than most of our competitors. My personal opinion: I feel as though Xerox has fantastic products, but think the main reason we lose deals is not because of the capability of the products, but on price (I also think you get what you pay for. Most other machines have plastic parts, ours you can tell are metal).

Thanks for being a Xerox customer and it sounds like you've enjoyed your 5000 so far!

Thanks for the info above - much appreciated!

Won't be visiting Print '09 as I'm based in the UK, but we have our equivalent show (every four years) IPEX, which is next year, 2010, so hopefully these new machines will be on display there!

Regards.

Lee.

[mrgraphics]

Hello Dude!

Sorry to just pop in this post. Just simple question will this product be better then KM6501e/ep? Will that convince people to change their minds to go for Xerox rather then KM?