Deciding between Xerox and Canon

[CSimpson]

I have several Oce machines including the 665. So, I have been paying close attention to the Cannon/Oce merger and the relationship with KM. The deal is not final because some shareholder are not happy with Cannon's offer, but convetional wisdom says it is going to happen sooner or later. Oce and KM disolved their joint development projects. In otherwords they are not sharing future technology developments; however, their dealer relationship is still intact and from what I can gather it will continue this way for a while. The deal has to finalized and talking to the local guys it will probably take a 6 to 12 months to reorganize so they think they are still going to have the ability to sell KM products through the rest of this year. Then they have commited to supporting those product at least 5 years. So, I think you are safe to buy or lease one. You could also just get the KM version too if you overly concerned.

I had a Xerox 250 before my Oce. The Oce was step up in registration and print quality and so far I am happy.

[X33]

I have several Oce machines including the 665. So, I have been paying close attention to the Cannon/Oce merger and the relationship with KM.

good homework! thanks for the summary

[mariocanta]

Hey all.

I currently have a Xerox Docucolor 250 and the lease is up soon. I've taken bids from both Xerox and Canon. Canon is recommending the imagePress C6000 (not the VP model). Xerox is showing me the X700XC. The Canon machine is about 15% cheaper, both on the lease and the per-click rate.

I'm the Philadelphia area which Canon assures me is a big hub for their service dept. My service from Xerox has been good for the last five years, but spotty on parts availability over the last few months.

Can anyone recommend or comment on Canon's service in the Philly area? We use our machine in a production environment, so reliability is a HUGE issue. If anyone can think of other issues related to the difference between the two machines, that'd be great too.

Thanks

I have the Canon C6000 (no VP), before I had the Xerox 250 (like you)
This printer, for quality it is the best, much better then Xerox.
The big, big, big problem is the affidability of the machine
In 2 years, the technician came almost 200 times.
If I print the day after I have to call the Canon men
I did almost 2.000.000 copy, but I can't plane a serious work, because in the morning when I start the machine I do not know if IT IS OK or I get the error number ##### ## ## ## and I have to call the technician.
Mario

[bompi]

I have the Canon C6000 (no VP), before I had the Xerox 250 (like you)
This printer, for quality it is the best, much better then Xerox.
The big, big, big problem is the affidability of the machine
In 2 years, the technician came almost 200 times.
If I print the day after I have to call the Canon men
I did almost 2.000.000 copy, but I can't plane a serious work, because in the morning when I start the machine I do not know if IT IS OK or I get the error number ##### ## ## ## and I have to call the technician.
Mario

Hello Mario,
Because I'm interested in buying the Canon 6000, I was wondering what problems you've encountered, 200 calls in two years are so many.
I certainly do not have your print volume, I testify about 15,000 copies monthly, but I can not get the thought of so many stoppages.
Plus I wanted to know what you have paid the Canon 6000 and which cost you a copy, as long as you can answer me.

[thomasc12]

CANON IP6000 vs. XX250 or XX700 is a funny discussion.

Look at the hardware - the straight paperpath and the paperdecks are showing the different! Its physic that you have to bend a sheet paper for duplex printing. Its logical that the switching from 1st to 2nd side of a sheet paper is more reliable on a lager paperpath way with larger radius for this paper way.

- The paperdecks are using a dual sheet detection - important by VDP printruns
- Mediadatabase with RIP connetion
- a huge online finishing solutions, f.e. bookbinder with 3side trimming,...
- no oil! (like the older iGens)
- run coated sheets as well as uncoated
- a lot of tools in the printer software to fit the image on the correct position of the sheet
- 2 Heating stations (unique) for less stressing the paper during fixing process

The idea of the IP6000 vs the IP6000VP or 7000VP was the demand of customers to get the "bigger - better" Hardware for the entry of production!

The DC250s 700s are based on developed office printingengins with a excellent print output! But not for production envirements. But, end of the day the price is limiting the skies ;-)

TC

[thomasc12]

Sorry for my english

- no oil (compared with the older iGens with oil - no Fuji Xerox hardware!)

TC