FSC approved paper - YOU CAN'T CALL IT THAT!

[rbailleu]

so can you say that you buy fsc certified paper from fsc certified vendor. then not label it as fsc. no I guess you cant legally do that. I am sure that fsc is out writing a bunch of letters to people. could you put on your website a disclaimer that says we remove the fsc label so that the coc is broken by us so that you the customer don't need to worry about it. or we certified that coc of the fsc paper we bought for your green project was broken by us so that the fsc logo must be removed. the arguements are pointless. the only thing a customer should worry about is whether or not the printer is fsc certified or not. to go after the paper listing is silly.

[meddington]

so can you specify that you buy fsc certified paper from fsc certified vendor. then not label it as fsc.

Depends on what you mean by "specify" I guess. Per the problems of the original poster, without a CoC cert I don't think you can specify "FSC" in any way without getting FSC's trademark lawyers irate.

[LoriMil]

Chain of custody all the way to the end user....doubtful the end user is FSC certified, don't you think? So the chain is broken by the very people who demand the certification in the first place.

Laughable...just laughable...

[Craig]

Did L. Ron Hubbard get involved in this some how? It sounds more and more like Scientology!

So the purpose is not about sustainable practices, but more as a certification to pads an organizations pocket. Just to make sure I am clear, the FSC logo on my paper label means nothing at all if I am not FSC certified. Therefor there is no reason for me to purchase paper with an FSC label, maybe I'll look for paper made from rainforest trees!

[meddington]

Did L. Ron Hubbard get involved in this some how? It sounds more and more like Scientology!

So the purpose is not about sustainable practices, but more as a certification to pads an organizations pocket. Just to make sure I am clear, the FSC logo on my paper label means nothing at all if I am not FSC certified. Therefor there is no reason for me to purchase paper with an FSC label, maybe I'll look for paper made from rainforest trees!

Where I'm at, I have to pay for recycling. I see no immediate or tangible direct benefit from it, I pay a monthly fee, and its a pain in the neck sorting and cleaning what I would otherwise throw away. But I do it. Others don't. Depends on where your priorities are.

There are some legitimate concerns with forestry certification schemes, but big picture, they have had a positive impact on management practices. The fact that there is still a demand for unmanaged pulp, or self self "regulated" logging makes the case for the need for organizations like the FSC.

[turbotom1052]

i wonder if the founding fathers of the green movement had even an inkling as to just how commercial this well intentioned initiative would ever become. It didnt take long at all to figure out that the early players in this entire business were just that... "PLAYERS" Its not just the FSC that has turned some well intentioned ideas into nothing more than a way to make money, but the entire green movement. I am quite honestly disgusted with all of its hypocracies. I worked for a company that latched onto this thing early on and it was very apparent that it was nothing more to them than a marketing ploy. Its not intended to say that there arent some sincere participants in this movement but i think that at this time its mostly smoke and mirrors, and market share and all the other bull that goes with corporate America or Insert country here>___________. I feel that the entire meaning of this thing has been diluted by all the not so well intentioned objectives of many companies that have jumped on board. Its sad to see a company that advertises its participation in all that is "GREEN" then turns around and dumps its old fountain solution down the sink because its too expensive to have taken out of the company and disposed of properly. Ive seen this with my own 2 eyes.
So lets all just go on thinking that things are all good with this entire green movement and if we continue to chant the "GREEN" mantra then we can go home at night, and kiss our children before bed, and claim to really care while during business hours we change our tune and paticipate in this farce.
I am by no means a tree hugger, just a hater of this ongoing hypocracy!!! This hypocracy is no different than the one where a company puts into place strict sexual harasment policies and then you find out that the CEO was dipping his wick into the company inkwell. My moral high horse is not meant to offend people just to hopefully invoke a little thought and perhaps even debate.

[Mark Wiedener]

It's all about the way that you phrase things. For instance, McDonald's claims to use 100% beef in their burgers. This is not a lie, they just don't tell you how much of that 100% is actually placed in each burger. Bit of a reverse example, but just a way to explain that there are many ways to say things. Present yourself as an environmentally savy printer and provide a link without mentioning the product you are using directly by name on your site. You are not using the logo but the client can get the correct information if they choose to view further. Good luck.

[arsenal123]

I understand both side vary well. the solution as I see it is this. either dont use fsc paper due to their hypocracy/made up bs. or use it and dont list it as fsc certified. or become certified. I use the same arguement for unions. however if you are taking a description of a paper from a supplier and including it in your stock lists in a pull down menu. I hardly see a case for a lawsuit. if you are however putting on your website tag lines like "we use fsc certified paper" i would stop that. ITS LIKE saying I am a union shop when your not. of course no one would do that. that would be deceitfull