Opinions on Van Son Ink

[OffsetGuy@presstechnician.com]

Do your self a favor....Buy an ink with high pigment level and low water pick up level.

ZIPSET..............It is the best

OG

[macphenom]

We have used the Vs3 series since it came out as well as the Vs5, Vs7 and VsZero. When we got ready to do our G7 certification we brought in Toyo, Kohl & Madden and VanSon as well as their techs to do a side by side comparison and VanSon won hands down. Don't be swayed by anyone on this forum as to whether one ink is so superior to another. Bring in the ink manufacturers to do a side by side comparison. If they are so confident in their inks, they will bring in the ink at no charge as well as their techs and prove that their ink is superior. VanSons Tough Tex inks are very good also if you need an oxidizing ink for non-porous substrates.
The company I work for is one of the largest sheet fed printers in the state and has won several awards for our printing and all with VanSon inks.

[RKS]

I'm sorry to inform "D Ink Man" and "Azures", but VanSon/Fuji do customize their inks to fit the needs of the printer. They have done for us and at least 2 other printer's that I know of.

[Asures]

Gordon -

It's not necessarily the sales volume that justifies whether a company needs an inplant operation or not. It really is based on the remaining gross profit after paying for bodies to man the operation. But that comes at a cost to your ink / pressroom consumables pricing obviously.

RKS -

The truth is that it's your company, not mine. Test the ink for yourself. There certainly isn't anything wrong with testing the VS3 series for your own satisfaction. It may not even work for you and at that point this is a mute conversation and a dead issue.

A few things:

#1 - I would however encourage you to call them for a rush PMS or a color match (a color outside of the pantone guide) and see how long it takes them to turn it around. If you AQ or UV your work, are they able to furnish you with "Bleed Resistant" formulas upon request?

#2 - If you run a job and it ends up going sour, which one of the two pays the claim? Is it Fuji or Vanson that does the legwork and compensates you for your loss?

#3 - How familiar with ink is your Fuji Rep? If he/she isn't entirely familiar with the dynamics of ink and which series, ink, formula is appropriate for the varieties of stock you run, you should ask yourself if that's the person to trust with a critical part of your business.

In Los Angeles, people typically buy ink from the manufacturers. I haven't seen many companies buying ink through distributors unless they're an extremely small shop that might purchase from a "Cash and Carry" type set up (your local paper store).

Again, I'm voicing my opinion and do not mean to offend anyone's decision. It's rather comical when the paper companies and the "Supply Houses" view ink as just another arrow in their quiver to offer.

Hope my advice helps and best of luck.

[Printmaster07]

I had heard that companies such as Gans and Braden who traditionally manufactured their own inks were importing ink from Korea and/or China. In fact, another ink rep had said that Van Son was also importing some of their inks from Korea and/or China. In this case do companies such as these have the ability "customize" formulations for the customer?



On another note, Doesn't anyone buy American anymore?

[RKS]

VanSon's inks are made either in Holland or Korea. But they do bring everything into their hub locations and modify the inks upon request. I have special formulations for perfecting. Also special mixes of varnishes.

[Printpro]

Printmaster07

I have heard the same kind of thing about these ink companies in the US buying their ink from over seas. Due to the economy they are buying their ink from over seas and private labeling it. All they are concerned with is price. No concern for quality. It is who can cut the others throat first. But on the other hand if their customers are only concern with pricing let them use it. They will ultimately end up being so inefficacy and upside down due to the garbage these ink companies are selling them they will be forced to go out of business and leave more print sales for those who care and who are using quality products.

I would love to see an ink company be able to say all their products are made in the USA. Imagine an ink company who wants to help the US economy improve instead of supporting these off shore companies who's garbage will keep the US printer running inefficient.

That is enough for my rant.

[InkNazi]

We get our VanSon ink from Vivid Colors and they are wonderful. They carry many of the manufacturers inks (as well as many other press supplies) and will work with you to find the product that works best for you (if it doesn't happen to be VanSon). The sales reps are knowledgable being that most, if not all, have ran a press before. They are familiar with the characteristics of each of the inks so if your having issues they can help you troubleshoot and/or find a different product for your needs. They have an emergency response team that is available 24/7. Yes, I said 24/7! I've called at 2am and had my ink within a couple of hours and it didn't cost me my first born child. Because of their service I know that I will always get good quality products from them. They allow me to test a variety of products on a guarantee. I personally like working with them because they carry so many products that they're not interested in cramming a particular product down your throat, instead they give you options and suggestions for what's right for you.

[Inks]

I thought Gans brought most of their sheetfed ink in from China these days - dont tell me they dont. And didnt Braden get bought by Sun Chem? - in the end cheap ink is cheaper - cheaper materials produce ink with weaker film and poor drying, especialy in poor conditions. Aqueous coating has made it possible for ink makers to manufacture cheap, weak, Alkyd heavy inks that transfer well and fool pressmen who think press settings has something to do with ink strength. If you need it, pay extra for the ink company that gives you better service, otherwise you will pay more for the cheaper product.

[Happyprinter]

We've always ran Toyo until about a year ago and we decided to change to VanSon. It only took about a month and we changed back. just ran better, looked nicer on the finished sheet. Just my 2 cents worth.