Best Folder with Scorer for my situation

[Craig]

Ondemand - When I was in the market for our folder last year, I had Baum run samples on their demo unit using the Technifold, the Ultimate scores and a traditional score wheel. Paper was 100lb gloss text with solid 2" bands of different colors running across the sheet, some light, some dark. Theses were printed on our Xerox DC8000AP. The sheets were folding with and cross grain. The Technifold showed nearly as much toner cracking as a traditional score wheel, the Ultimate Score had very little cracking, only in the bands that were very dark (Navy Blue and Rich Black). I was so skeptical that Baum asked Denny from D&R to meet me at the Baum demo room to show me that this wasn't smoke and mirrors.

[NTXSOL]

We have a small digital print shop and we have never done anything but crease our printed materials. We tried sending our material out to be folded and scored before but unfortunately we had a huge problem with cracking. I haven't had a chance to read all the reply's from everybody in this thread but if you dont mind creasing before you fold or folding the materials after they have been creased we found the Count EZ creaser to be a great introductory machine. You can spend 15k on just a creaser and you can also spend plenty of money on the tri-creaser solution from technifold, especially if you are doing tri-folds.

We are going with an inline creaser and uv coater solution in our shop and are going to be letting our ez creaser go within your price range if that is something you would be interested in.

We are always looking for a good folder for our shop as we definitely do our fair share of creasing and folding but unfortunately we don't have the room for a large folder as well as a creaser and all the other machines we have and we realized that there is no alternative to creasing for us.

Econocrease is nearby us here in the texas area and the guy that we spoke to before from there is very knowledgeable and can work with you on finding a folder and install the econocrease unit in the folder for you.

[ondemandbindery]

We have a small digital print shop and we have never done anything but crease our printed materials. We tried sending our material out to be folded and scored before but unfortunately we had a huge problem with cracking. I haven't had a chance to read all the reply's from everybody in this thread but if you dont mind creasing before you fold or folding the materials after they have been creased we found the Count EZ creaser to be a great introductory machine. You can spend 15k on just a creaser and you can also spend plenty of money on the tri-creaser solution from technifold, especially if you are doing tri-folds.

We are going with an inline creaser and uv coater solution in our shop and are going to be letting our ez creaser go within your price range if that is something you would be interested in.

We are always looking for a good folder for our shop as we definitely do our fair share of creasing and folding but unfortunately we don't have the room for a large folder as well as a creaser and all the other machines we have and we realized that there is no alternative to creasing for us.

Econocrease is nearby us here in the texas area and the guy that we spoke to before from there is very knowledgeable and can work with you on finding a folder and install the econocrease unit in the folder for you.

Sad to say I threw a couple of econocrease unit away last year. And they can do a pretty good job. Keep in mind that cracking is not always a scoring issue. You can change orientation in a folder to rid of cracking as well as a slower machine speed. Now if you are wanting to get into a conversation about uncoated sheet, a wet score will beat a mechanical score hands down. The digital stuff is challenging for sure.

[raminmd]

Sorry to bring the old topic up but I am still in the market for a scorer/folder and I just have not found the right option within my budget. Anyway, here are the three options I have at this point

MBO t-49 with an 8 page attachment - $7,500
Baum 714 with and 8 page attachment - $4,900
Morgana Docu-fold - $6,000

I like the T-49 but it seems a bit overpriced to me. I am not sure if the Baum 714 is a good solution (it is really a tabletop). I like the docu-fold (especially the automatic set up/ease of use) but have not seen it mentioned in this thread at all. Which one would you all prefer for scoring/folding about 30,000-50,000 9 x 12 to 9 x 6. Obviously, I would like the equipment to be able to handle increases in volume as well. This machine is not intended to be a workhorse running for 8 hours a day. It probably will run for about 1-2 hours a day.

Any suggestions on where I can find used equipment/auctions for used equipment. I do have a couple of dealers I generally go to but I am sure they have a hefty mark up on all the equipment. I looked on ebay but did not find any T-49s or anything similar.

Thanks.

Thanks.

[Alex@Challenge]

if the MBO is in good shape ...take the deal and dont look back. It will serve you very well for many years to come.

[ondemandbindery]

It could be a good deal on the T-49. How close is this folder to you and have you taken the time to locate a service rep? If your rollers are in good shape then that is a pretty big hurdle. If the 8 page rollers are better than the parallel swap them out. Very easy project. Post a link or some pictures. These folders are the most reliable machines MBO made. Simple, and do not under estimate the production of it. I have made people look stupid on production because of the blazing fast makeready. I have also folded some tough roll fold work which is good considering they have the 30mm rollers. Now for the creasing, expect to pony up a few dollars. I have seen some Technifold stuff for 30mm shafts on ebay pretty cheap. Try and get the schmatics to it. If you get it, I can PDF you an owners manual. As I understand it MBO now longer does this for free but I am almost sure I still have that file.

Good luck,

[jzambole]

The Company I work for is the National Dealer of Technifold USA and I have the scoring units in stock to eliminate fiber cracking. For 1 or 2 units it is 1797.00 each , for 3 or more it is 1617.00 net each. These units install to the exit shaft of your folder.

To see them in action, please view the following link:

PRODUCT VIDEOS

Jorson and Carlson Company
1501 Pratt Boulevard
Elk Grove Village, IL 60007
800.656.7766 x 34 Fax: 847.437.0933
Email: jz@jorsonandcarlson.com / Website: Welcome to Jorson and Carlson: THE SHARPER TECHNOLOGY

[ondemandbindery]

The Company I work for is the National Dealer of Technifold USA and I have the scoring units in stock to eliminate fiber cracking. For 1 or 2 units it is 1797.00 each , for 3 or more it is 1617.00 net each. These units install to the exit shaft of your folder.

To see them in action, please view the following link:

PRODUCT VIDEOS

Jorson and Carlson Company
1501 Pratt Boulevard
Elk Grove Village, IL 60007
800.656.7766 x 34 Fax: 847.437.0933
Email: jz@jorsonandcarlson.com / Website: Welcome to Jorson and Carlson: THE SHARPER TECHNOLOGY

When I bought my Technifold scores 2 years ago I paid $1450.00 for each set. And I bought 3 at one time. Sorry to steal this thread but the price of these things are getting ridiculous. If the originator of this is reading the thread, do some research on the pricing of these things.

Good luck,

[Craig]

That's just another reason I got the Ultimate Scores, you can get 2 of them for the price of 1 Technifold and they worked better for me!

[ondemandbindery]

That's just another reason I got the Ultimate Scores, you can get 2 of them for the price of 1 Technifold and they worked better for me!

If it did the same job as a Technifold then I would certainly look at Ultimate Scores. That is just Highway robbery. A great product but somewhere you have to draw the line. A client of mine got a sample of some type of paper that was Synthetic. 12pt. stock he told me and you could crumble it up and it would not crack. Now if this is what comes next, that will change the scoring game in the bindery down the road.....